Smart move?

Jul 01

Smart move?

Posted by JHFvans on

In my own opinion the strokes really dont need a producer like Williams or whatever. That'll just attract more money power investers to kill what we came to love The Strokes. Really sure I give props towards Will, but Strokes... C'mon guys. Is this really a smart move? Maybe money wise, yes... But love wise? I really don't think so. The people know what the people want. And what the people want is ol' fashion Strokes sound. I've heard "My Drive Thur"... Wow... Simply... Disapointed... It seems to me that Julian you didn't seem to care about trying... Just did it for the money... Jules I love you, man, but you can do better. Your the million dollar song writer, please don't sell out. Sorry if I sound like an asshole. I just hate the idea of walking into a the next Strokes concert and seeing a 16 year girl and his boyfriend with A&E shirts, with fancy ass shoes, typing in their sidekicksIIIs, while symbolazing the commerialized solders of the industries. I just want the true 'Strokers' to keep on listening to you, than the "Oh my god!!! I love them!!! Whats their name again? Don't they have a song on Rock Band? I think its called Reptail?" person.
-JHF

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I'm new to the site but an OG Strokes fan. The thing about The Strokes is that they're arguably the best band in the past decade, and it's unavoidable that a band this good will start to gain attention from the media. There's nothing wrong with that as long as the band is smart enough to keep true to their music (which doesn't seem to be a problem for the Strokes...yet). Sure, their music will naturally change over time this doesn't necceseraly make them sell outs unless it is a sudden drastic change obviously influenced by fame and money. I was first attracted to The Strokes by that sort of punkish New York feel their music has, and being a punk fan I've seen a lot of bands with a lot of potential allow the media to destroy them. Take the Dead Kennedys for example one of the best punk bands of all time, they broke up after they started getting attention and disagreed wether to put their song an a levis commercial or not. Pharrel might be a kick start to The Stroke's fame but as long as they keep making the same music and don't let the media affect them like so many good bands have I'll always be a fan.

I agree, I love Pharrell and I love N.E.R.D., but stay away from our Strokes! He's good at making hits, but I'd rather have the Strokes do them the way they normally did, the way that attracted all the fans they have now. My Drive Thru, I really like it, and read the lyrics, Julian's part is the most meaningful, but thats great as an ad for Converse, but not the 4th album we'll have waited 3 years for!

look, i don't really know what pharrell might bring to the table. i think julian's control would limit the influence of the production. what i want is the best for the strokes. and i just want them to be recognized by everyone. it just pains me to see that people don't appreciate them. and then i hear this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4rpYPpjwsI new song by kings of leon and it seems like they're ready to make the leap to the mainstream. Kings of leon are definately making a move to becoming the next big thing in rock and i just want to see the strokes get that kind of attention, because honestly i think they're the ones that deserve it most. i'm not talking about them "selling out" but if pharrell can help them churn out some great tunes, then i'll be for it.

Elle i don't think you know what you're talking about. i understand that he took opportunity to do the converse thing (wow who would really give that up?!! no one!) but comparing nick releasing a special line of guitars and the strokes making an album w pharrell are like comparing apples and oranges. many bands go down the drain when they do music that is not them. i really hope that the strokes stick to what we love them for. their sound is not commercial and i hope they don't become that. their sound is so unique and if they start doing music the way every other commercial artists are doing, i will be so heartbroken. selling out would be the strokes putting out a commercial album and having new strokes fans come out and claim they loved them from the start when we all know they didn't know their roots like we true fans know. [quote="Elle"]^
And should we all get mad at Nick for making a deal with Epiphone to release a special line of his custom-made guitars? You sure as hell better believe Nick got a nice slice of money for doing that, but I don't see anyone complaining about it. It's the same principle: they're simply promoting products they personally use and endorse. No big deal. If that's someone's definition of selling out, then they should really just crawl back in their hole and continue to isolate themselves from the world.[/quote]

well I really think some of you are getting carried away about this issue [and I'm not saying there's no reason to be worried about 'cuz there is]. But should realize you're talking here as if [b]Julian[/b] was the ONLY member of the band, and you're kinda blaming all on him and I don't think that's right. [i]"My drive Thru"[/i] [in my eyes] didn't suck as much as everyone keep saying, we should be at least glad that the song has that voice of Julian that we all love and kinda fits to the rhythm and pretty sure that Julian as self-judging as he is did everything he could for the song to be awesome. Give him some credit and I think he also had a lot fun while doing something totally different. [b]I bet you'd be sick of hearing the same thing from the same artist once and again.[/b] If they wanna change the direction I support them but I don't think they'll forget what made them be "The Strokes". They might be looking into growing as a band instead of being stuck in the same thing again, probably they'll know pharrell doesn't fit with their original concept and decline his offer. THEY AS A BAND NOT ONLY JULIAN. And using this "selling-out" it's too strong for something we are not sure yet, they take care of music so much and I think we're getting way over ahead.

Final thing:

Do I want Pharrell to produce their record? NO! [I don't look down on Pharrell, he is good at what he does which is hip hop] I don't think they belong to each other but if this were to happen I think we all be amazed of what they can do together. But I honestly doubt Pharrell is the producer for the masterpiece we've been all waiting for. Period.

I love Julian cuz his lyrics are sooo like unbelievable and i love him as everything he is but please stop referring him as the only member of the band, like he was the only one that get to choose. Yeah, he is really important but he is not The Strokes.
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The Strokes are: Nick, Nikolai, Albert, Fabrizio and Julian! [/b][/size]

Even if pharell williams really produce the fourth album, (wich I really, really doubt, but let's say so...) he's not stupid: the strokes' music works, he's not gonna change it! The third album has already been disputed because he was different from the others, so they won't change completly again. That's just commercial...

im my opinion, the strokes are one of the best things taht ever happened to me.. as silly as it sounds. but the music i already have due to julian's fantastic mind has been a savior. if they do sell out, or comercialize then it is a massive loss, but sometimes the offer is just too good. who are we to judge. the strokes have amazing minds, im sure they will do whats best. the media can't take away what we already have. head up, the new album will be just as good or better, chill. and as for my drive thru.. maybe it was just a bit of fun. maybe he likes hanging out with those guys and thought it would be cool, let the guy go. like i said. amazing mind, it will be ok

i dont think any of us has the right to judge julian for doing this project. none of us actually know him and i doubt, unless he makes a public statement , we will ever know his reasoning behind it. I dont think this by any means this will "ruin his career". and if he chooses to have pharrel williams as the producer, then thats his choice. I think he's made enough good choices in the past that i trust him to make the right decision.

The Strokes' music have always been all over the place. I remember during the ITI day's MTV and VH1 used to play bits and pieces of Someday, Last Nite, and others all the time on stupid glamor shows. Not too long ago You Talk Way Too Much was on a Ford Synch commercial, Guitar Hero, and now My Drive Thru.

Dude i freakin love My Drive Thru.

[b]Jonasalmen, R&B is what made music you fucking idiot.[/b]

I highly, highly, highly, [i]highly[/i] doubt Julian would accept Pharrell's offer of being their next producer. As much as people worry he might be "selling out" :roll: I think he's still got his head on straight and his original ideals intact so he's not going to go wheeling and dealing with the first hip-hop/pop producer that comes his way. If Julian hasn't said anything about it by now, or if Pharrell hasn't said that The Strokes accepted his offer, then I don't think it's going to happen. I would be thoroughly shocked if that actually did all happen, but the media is just blowing things out of proportion to get more people to buy their magazines as usual. And just because Albert said it would be a "cool idea" or whatever to have him produce doesn't mean the band as a whole actually wants him; Albert was probably just being polite.

[color=#008000]calm down people !!!
we don´t know if pharrel will be the producer and if it´s true maybe the next album will be good [/color] ;)

I think Mr Williams could destroy the strokes once and for all, the latest N.E.R.D effort is shambolic and he is clearly deluded by his own incredible success. Lets face it, Is This It? will go down as a classic, Room on Fire will not and neither will First Impressions of Earth. Not that they are bad albums but they both have hits and misses. First Impressions of earth reminds me of Our Love To Admire by Interpol, not in the sound obviously but those two albums show moments of greatness but then just when you didn’t expect it some very mediocre moments Interpol unlike the Strokes managed to make a great second record to follow up the first and I think the strokes need to go back to the basics and rediscover their form because it has been slowly dipping and it would be sad if it continued because they have the potential to be the best band on the planet but right now Kings of Leon seem to have that firmly in their grasp and lets face it men with ego's that big shouldnt be allowed to.

[quote="Jonasalmen"]I don't understand why people hate guitar hero?

I teaches young teenagers to listen to REAL Music... Not computer made R&B-shit and other stuff...[/quote]

No one said they hated guitar hero. He said that he hates the people who have only heard the one song from guitar hero and call themselves true fans.

I think it is important to realize that 'My Drive Thru' wasn't a Strokes/Pharrell project, it was Julian. I think it can be expected that someone as obviously musical as Julian would be inclined to experiment with different types of music. I love the Strokes stuff, but I don't think we can blame them if they choose to take their music in a different direction (although I don't actually think they will). I think it is easy to be selfish and say that they shouldn't change at all, it terrible if bands never changed and played the same type of music for their entire careers.

^ That's well said. And guys, come on, just think about it. Some of you act as if Julian decided to go out and do a commercial and write a song for McDonald's. He just wanted to be part of a campaign that is publicizing a shoe brand the guys have worn since before it was "cool and hip" and did it in a unique way with combining three artists from three different genres. It doesn't even matter if you like or dislike the song, you have to look at it objectively. I'm sure Julian was intrigued by the fact that this was an opportunity to really step out of the box and experiment with a new sound without doing it officially for his own band. It's given him an opportunity to see what worked and didn't work, and who knows, maybe Julian didn't even like the way the song turned out himself.

And should we all get mad at Nick for making a deal with Epiphone to release a special line of his custom-made guitars? You sure as hell better believe Nick got a nice slice of money for doing that, but I don't see anyone complaining about it. It's the same principle: they're simply promoting products they personally use and endorse. No big deal. If that's someone's definition of selling out, then they should really just crawl back in their hole and continue to isolate themselves from the world.

There's nothing wrong with doing a Converse ad. From The Ramones to Nirvana to the Strokes, Converse has been a part of alternative Rock 'N' Roll style from the get-go. It's probably the coolest ad campaign a band can be part of. And, given the state of the record industry, with even diehard fans ripping albums for free, artists need other ways to make money. Better they do it the form of ads than dumbing down and pandering with their actual product: the album. Finally, if a "true 'Stroker'" (WTF?) is busy looking at other fans at their next Strokes show, they're looking at the wrong thing.

He already sold his voice to a converse commercial. Thats like stage one. But lets all pray that he dosen't.[/quote]

Wow give the guy a break. Since when is it not okay to want to make money? It's not like he is jeopardizing his music or The Strokes or anything he's actually endorsing a product that he and his bandmates are often seen wearing! Julian knows what he's doing, and if someone offered us the money he got for doing the Converse ad we would all accept. Remember: WWJD = What Would Julian Do.

First off, I do agree that I think Pharrell would be a strange, probably bad, choice in producers. However, I don't think we should worry about the strokes "selling out," especially because thats a bad reason to desert a band. I don't think that "Drive Thru," was that bad of a song, and c'mon, saying that Julian did it just for the money, I think that that's a little bit judgmental. At least he's making some music! Plus, it was cool that they took three entirely different styles and come together to make a song. The Strokes have a great sound, in any way they take it. First Impressions was very different than Is This It but, still, it was a great album! I'm not worried that the strokes are gonna lose their edge. And even more, guitar hero isn't a bad game for a Strokes song to be on. If that's how people get introduced to the Strokes that way, at least their getting introduced to GOOD music! Maybe, they'll check out their old stuff and really dig it! Don't lose faith in the Strokes (who have created great music three albums in a row and we all love) if they haven't even released anything yet, how is that gonna encourage them!?

[quote="nkh314"]i'll be very dissapointed if the strokes lose their grunge.
but i have faith in julian to keep it straight and not buy into anything.[/quote]

He already sold his voice to a converse commercial. Thats like stage one. But lets all pray that he dosen't.

i'll be very dissapointed if the strokes lose their grunge.
but i have faith in julian to keep it straight and not buy into anything.

I don't understand why people hate guitar hero?

I teaches young teenagers to listen to REAL Music... Not computer made R&B-shit and other stuff...

Thank you!! someone finally said it! The Strokes is my favorite band
but you know maybe they should get a new sound, that would be nice but I just hope their new sound is not hip hop-ish with Pharrell's repetitve beats and echoes.. That's NOT the strokes! please!
and I couldn't agree more with that they better not turn into commercial sh!t.. that would kill them
think about the music, not the money Julian!

I hope they go back to Gordon Raphael.. but let's wait and see

Well said. I hate when people cite Reptilia via Guitar Hero...