albert didn't like first impressions

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oi oi!

it wasn't that bad.

i actually got 50% hooked on the strokes from you only live oncce(the other half was from 12:51)

Albert can say whatever he wants about an album that he helped to make. Those were Julian's songs, not his. He's allowed to not be completely on board with someone else's artistic progression. And the Strokes are "in it for the money" as much as any other band. They signed a major label contract.

[size=85]I don't know I just think Albert needs a break from all the press bugging him about The Strokes business.
I just think he's already said all he knows about The Strokes and press bugging him over and over again can get quite annoying.
Although, I don't blame Albert for getting a little frustrated; but I don't understand why he has to be so rude about the music. I mean if he could just keep his negative thoughts to himself the world would be a better place.[/size]

[quote="hardtoexplain"]Well the strokes always said that they "weren't about the money" so as long as they liked the album, i dont think it really matters how much money they made and the critiques they got. i doubt they have money problems anyways for obvious reasons.

it just upsets me that albert said that about the album. i mean it took me months to fully like the FIOE album fully, and now i wouldn't have it any other way. but it was the same with the ROF album, it took months before I fully liked each and every song. The only one I liked instantly was Is This It. Like at first for the other albums.. certain songs I'd be like "Yeah this is weird" and then I dont like it. Then months later after not hearing it, I hear it and am like "HOLY SHITTT THIS SONG'S AMAZING!" maybe Albie didnt hear it that much...? or whatever.[/quote]

I don't think it was a matter of Albert not listening to the songs enough considering they [i]are[/i] his band's music haha, but I get what you mean. I'm the same way, I take a little more time to fully like each song, usually just with the ones that are more different than the rest. But in the end, I find that I like each song in their own respect. And sometimes if I overlook a song the first time through, I'll come back a few days later and discover how great it really is.

I strongly believe thar albert didn's say he dislikes FIOE.. I guess that is something exagerated

Well the strokes always said that they "weren't about the money" so as long as they liked the album, i dont think it really matters how much money they made and the critiques they got. i doubt they have money problems anyways for obvious reasons.

it just upsets me that albert said that about the album. i mean it took me months to fully like the FIOE album fully, and now i wouldn't have it any other way. but it was the same with the ROF album, it took months before I fully liked each and every song. The only one I liked instantly was Is This It. Like at first for the other albums.. certain songs I'd be like "Yeah this is weird" and then I dont like it. Then months later after not hearing it, I hear it and am like "HOLY SHITTT THIS SONG'S AMAZING!" maybe Albie didnt hear it that much...? or whatever.

You can't really say what caused fans to not buy FIOE.. or to buy IsThisIT... if people based their buying patterns on what's "good", 99.99999% of the music industry wouldn't be selling anything.

If Albert is worried about marketing he should probably be talking about his clothes more than the music or FIOE.

A lot of Strokes fans don't like FIOE, so it's good marketing for Albert to say, "Yeah, I didn't like it either, and my solo albums are nothing like it." FIOE caused a lot of old fans to drop off, and didn't bring in enough new ones to make up the difference in sales.

Come on. Tell the truth.. you guys know Julian is cooler than Hendrix.

You are just trying to act cool by not saying it!

Saying whether something is good or bad is simply a matter of opinion. Just because you think it was bad does not mean it should be officially branded as that. There's people out there that think President Bush is a good president, and yeah I might highly disagree with them, but that's still their opinion and their entitled to it as much as I could argue he's not. Just because Albert didn't like it and you agree with him doesn't make your opinion any more right. There's people who believe the War in Iraq is right but just because President Bush agrees with them doesn't make the war justified. I'm not trying to relate Albert to President Bush here or anything, just giving an example. I still love Albert, don't get me wrong. And not everyone is as exaggerated with their love for Julian. I highly respect the guy, but I highly respect all The Strokes as well. So don't let one person calling Julian the reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix make you think everyone's like that. I like FIOE; I personally think it's a good album. And I hate comparing albums within a band so I'm not going to because I think they all contribute something different, but I'll admit, there's more songs on FIOE that I don't like as much than ROF or ITI, but do I think that means it's a BAD album? Not at all. The Strokes have to experiment and evolve; all the greatest bands have. I mean look at The Beatles for example; they did just that. If The Strokes kept making 'Is This It' 10x over, where would they be? Nowhere. They have to change.

well albert is right FIOE was bad, or was not good as is This it!!
i think you guys are mad because the album wasn't so good!, and you don't want to accept that!
everyone make mistakes, maybe albert didn't say that !, we need to stop judging Albert because we don't know who it feels to be in the strokes, maybe julian is a bitch when he seem so nice and cool, you don't know who the work is done in the strokes. you all guys need to stop treating him as god! julian is a talent but come on!! i mean i saw post that says that julian was the reincarnated of jimi hendrix!!i mean wtf!!
you all guys making threads about julian being so cool for many things!! the guy was a junkie alcoholic!!
why don't you make a post about nikolai being so cool? , the guy don't smoke and don't drink, he's funny, he is an awesome bass player, he's a great talent as you heard in the tunes of nickel eye, he is an artistic guy ( a kind of a dream)...but no!! you make a julian the center spot of the strokes

i mean come on julian is talent but they all have talent in different ways!

[quote="Max Fischer"][quote]It's strange though that FIOE's the album with the members contributing the most and it's the one Albert dislikes.[/quote]

That's a great point.[/quote]

I agree with that too. Albert wanted more input, he gets more input, and he complains. I don't know, I think he's got his head a bit in the clouds right now 'cause he's very excited about his new album.

And to me it just seems unfair that Albert goes out in the media and criticizes Julian's work (for the most part), yet Julian's never gone out in the public and said anything harsh about Albert's solo work. On the contrary, Julian praises his work, like in that article he said his favorite song was "You Won't Be Fooled By This". But who knows, deep down Julian may not really like all of Albert's music, but we'll never know because Julian doesn't go out and critique it in public, as he shouldn't. It sounds juvenile, but Julian follows the saying "if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say it at all". Could you really imagine Julian going out when he's promoting the Converse stuff and saying "Yeah, I really wasn't into 'Yours To Keep'. It's hard fake liking something." I mean, come on, we'd all be equally if not more shocked to hear Julian say something like that and think he's out of line for saying it.

[quote]Julian wrote the damn song, if he wants to say it's the worst shit ever, he has every right to do so, as he judges his own work (plus julian's a perfectionist, so anything not perfect's kind of a failure for him i'd say) ; the fact is that in the interview, Albert judges the work that Julian wrote and that the 5 of them put in its final shape. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but telling in an interview that you didn't like your best friends' work, just to make people talk about you, i think that pretty much sucks. and sucks even more when you consider that julian's worst song ever is still 9897 times better than anything albert ever wrote.[/quote]

I know that's from a few pages back, but that's exactly what I think. Of course Julian's going to critique his own work, he's completely allowed to seeing as it is mostly [i]his[/i] work. And Albert's allowed to have his opinions and not think everything the band's done is pure gold, but still, that doesn't give you the room to go out in the media and bash it like that. Because like sparks said -- and we all know -- that's basically all Julian's work, so for Albert to publicly criticize something Julian's done is quite harsh in my opinion. But then that brings back the point of if Albert didn't like it, why didn't he say anything about it during the process? Honestly, I just hope Albert has mentioned his feelings toward it to Julian prior to this article so it doesn't come off as a bitter surprise if Julian should read it. They probably have though, or at least they should have.

I rather see The Strokes dead so i can move on with my life and leave this SHIT band behind me... I would also rather see them dead then seeing them embarrassing themself by putting out a "shitty" album that took them five-years to write... The strokes... I wished I could stop care about them anymore because they are more boring then a... i really cant descrbibe how boring it is to wait and wait... The band really needs to ask themself who us in? and who is out?... Albert dont have to be a part of the band he could be easely replaced... Its better with a [b]creative[/b] and [b]productive[/b] Strokes [b]without[/b] Albert then a [b]Uncreative[/b] and [b]unpriductive[/b] Strokes [b]WITOHUT ALBERT[/b]!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

by the way i thinh the best way to solve the problem is for julian to let in Alberts songwriting... I can easily see the highlights of "yours to Keep" togheter with Julians songs on an album...

[quote="aleaiactaest"]The value of the band comes out of the band.

What makes the band above- average is:

1) the composition,
2) the lyrics,
3) the quality of play,
4) their friendship.
See 1) and 2) for Julian C. , see 3) for Fab, Nick, Albert and Nikolai,see 4) for Julian, Fab, Nick, Albert and Nikolai.[/quote]

for 3) see Julian too. I love his singing!

[quote]It's strange though that FIOE's the album with the members contributing the most and it's the one Albert dislikes.[/quote]

That's a great point.

The value of the band comes out of the band.

What makes the band above- average is:

1) the composition,
2) the lyrics,
3) the quality of play,
4) their friendship.
See 1) and 2) for Julian C. , see 3) for Fab, Nick, Albert and Nikolai,see 4) for Julian, Fab, Nick, Albert and Nikolai.

I agree with Hoo-lee-ah.

Albert is indeed entitled to his own opinion but the timing isn't right. I wish his remarks were just taken out of context.

It's strange though that FIOE's the album with the members contributing the most and it's the one Albert dislikes.

[quote="avo cado"][quote="elledriver"]I hate about 65% of it.[/quote]

I hate your signature.[/quote]

I was exaggerating a bit; I just did the math and I hate about 43% of it.

[quote="dens"]i'm shocked but i think albert is no the only one who feel the same, i mean
if you have the 3 albums , im going to ask you what's on the back of each album,
"ALL MUSIC AND LYRICS BY JULIAN CASABLANCA"
its got to be frustrating! to don't participate that much in the band![/quote]

Julian doesnt write all the songs. Read the back of FIOE and ROF again.
Besides, the rest of the strokes all have some more input on the more musical side, when its not lyrics.

[quote="Max Fischer"]You want proof of albert's massive ego?

What's the name of his band?[/quote]

:lol:

damn.. at the end is he implying that hanging out with the strokes is boring now?

I haven't read the majority of this thread cause I think y'all are whacked (and I just don't care enough/am too lazy)
BUT, I have one thing to say:
Seeing as, on a musical time-line (and in perspective of the band's career), it hasn't actually been that long since FIOE came out, and if Albert truly intends to continue making music with The Strokes he should stand behind his album. True, "all music and lyrics by Julian Casablancas" but ultimately Albert played an enormous role in its creation, his name is attached to its release, he promoted it for months and months, he earned major dollaz from it, and it motivated him to start his own side project. Because of all this he MUST stand behind the album....at least for now. What I mean is, he is definitely entitled to his own opinion, but he shouldn't be voicing it to the press just yet.
Years from now, on VH1's "Behind the FatPants" he can spew all he wants about how shite FIOE is, but a measly 2 or so years after its release he should keep schtum.
I don't know...maybe I'm not expressing myself very clearly, I just don't think it is appropriate nor respectful to be saying he didn't like the album at this point.

By the way I didn't read the article so I don't even know what he said about it hahahah

At least you got the last word in though. :D

ugh i give up, this is pointless

You want proof of albert's massive ego?

What's the name of his band?

see the buttfucking analogy makes so much more sense to me

I have an analogy. I don't follow basketball at all. This will be obvious.

Let's say Jordan's getting buttfucked from
. Jordan really likes that buttfucking and the only way he can assure continued prostate orgasms is to purposely lose to . Jordan tells all the other dudes on the team that they have to suck at basketball and they do because they owe a lot to Jordan. Pippen understands that Jordan has done a lot for his career but still doesn't want his name attached to something he considers poor quality. It's his prerogative to go out on his own and show people that while he might not be as good as Jordan in his heyday he's still better than [i]this.[/i]

Recap:
- Albert thinks FIOE sucks.
- He's not the only person out there who thinks this way. I, in fact, think it sucks hard. It's NOT better than 99% of the crap being released today. I'd give it 84% on a generous day.
- It's his prerogative to not want people to think he was responsable for something that blows goats.
- Doing solo work is a way to show the world that.
- I'm sure there are people in the world who think Albert's solo work is better than FIOE. I, again, am one of those people.

-Viv(Getting out of this thread. I don't even care about The Strokes anymore.)

[quote="knowing you"]not as good as Julian = big ego

glad we settled that issue[/quote]

I don't think Julian has a big enough ego.. that's the problem.. if he did he would have set Albert straight long ago.. and it would have been for the best of ht eband most likely.

I mean think about it.. you are hearing Albert be critical of the Strokes but not Julian being critical of Albert's albums. That's completely backwards.. But such is life.. it's usually the crap that gets celebrated and the true talents that get ignored. Not that Albert is crap.. but you get the idea.

[quote="Azure"]The Strokes' music just doesn't lend itself well to a tortured artist writing/playing/mixing alone in his living room. He's not Brian Eno. The band is more 'believable' as a group of old friends bullshitting around in a studio and making tunes.[/quote]

That doesn't fit with the stories coming out about the Strokes. People say Julian controls everything. Journalists have said the other band members wanted more input. And this is why Julian said after they finished touring for FIOE that he was going to let them have more input.

not as good as Julian = big ego

glad we settled that issue

But would Pippen be considered one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history if he didn't play with Jordan? Is he Jordan? That's the point. I saw Pippen play without Jordan.. he was not anyhting really special.

You are totally missing the point of the analogy, though. Even if Pippen is good he isn't anywhere near Jordan. Just like Albert would never be near as famous as he is without Julian around. Albert would be just "another guy" not a "Stroke".

But funnily.. I follow basketball a lot. There is a player now who grew up as a huge fan of Pippen. After he came into the league and learned about Pippen he said he was really disappointed. This player said Pippen was a total arrogant prick. Do you think Pippen would be like this if not for Jordan?

I disagree that Julian doesn't need the rest of the band and he's only sticking around out of respect for friends. The Strokes' music just doesn't lend itself well to a tortured artist writing/playing/mixing alone in his living room. He's not Brian Eno. The band is more 'believable' as a group of old friends bullshitting around in a studio and making tunes. If he replaced any of the original members people would undoubtedly start feeling like they're getting to corporate. The way things are it's a lot easier to forget that they all started out horrifyingly privileged and have had some of the most professional resources in the business at their fingertips the entire time.

-Viv(Like it or not, the band's as much about image as anything else. It always has been.)

Pippen was "one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History during the 1996–97 NBA season. He is one of four players to have their jerseys retired by the Chicago Bulls" (thank you wikipedia).

I think you're talking total shit to be honest

let albert alone , he just want to play some new music!! his music!!
the strokes are not julian, the strokes are nick, julian , albert , nickolai, fab, soo julian it's just doing his job, he write songs, nick play the guitar , nickolai the bass etc...

if julian is that great i would like to see him playing the bass in reptilia, playing the guitar in VOD, or drumming red light!! i mean he's just the frickin singer!! that's the way i see it!

[quote="knowing you"]I still don't understand where this "ego" business is coming from.[/quote]

Ok.. let's take a basketball team.

You got the Chicago Bulls with Jordan and Pippen. Because Pippen looks so good playing next to Jordan (because Jordan makes everyone around him look so good) eventually all the people around Jordan, especially Pippen, start believing they are all great, too.

When in reality they aren't. But eventually they want to see how good they are because their ego has taken over. They start to think they could do the same thing... eventuaklly it gets so bad they want their own team. So then Pippen starts fighting with Jordan and can't deal with being bosssed around anymore and asks to be traded.

Then he gets his own team and learns real fast that he's not special.. but it's too late. The damage is done.. all because Pippen's ego got out of control because he didn't realize how good Jordan made him look.

That's Albert.. he's Pippen.. in fact, I think it's starting to become the whole band. They are all starting to think they know what should be done. Then you have anarchy. It's all caused by the egos though.. and people not udnerstanding how hard what Julian does is and that they [i]coulddn't[/i] do it better, or even half as well. The great ones make it look easy.

I still don't understand where this "ego" business is coming from.

[quote="knowing you"][quote="Max Fischer"]A couple steps back for Julian/the Strokes is still ten steps ahead of everyone else... Albert too...

I think the only reason Albert didn't like FIOE as much as he did is because his own ego kind of blew up.. I think he is rationalizing the situation for his own goals. "I don't like what the band is doing therefore I have to go on my own, I'm an artist".[/quote]
Ego? What?

Look at it this way....Albert writes songs, he's a creative person. He tries to get the strokes to record them, but they don't want them....so where does he go from there? Does he just forget about it or does it go and do something about it, get a band together, get a record deal and release an album?
I don't think you're making much sense at all. The Strokes (& Julian in particular) are not infallible.....the sooner you realise that the better[/quote]

Albert can do whatever he wants. That's his right. But, sadly, everyone's actions have ramifications. And IMO Albert is hurting the band. His ego and self interest is jeopardizing the band as I see it. Ask yourself this.. did he not like FIOE because of his ego? Or was FIOE really as bad as he is representing?

As for Julian being perfect.. no ones perfect. But I would bank on Julian before anyone else in the band. He's a proven commodity. And he has earned the right to do things as he sees fit. Yeah.. the rest of the band can go on their own.. do what they want.. tell themselves they could do better jut because they would do different.. but are they going to regret it?

This is why Julian needs to stay focused and listen to himself, because if not.. all the monday morning quarterbacks are going to completely derail him and the band.

[quote="knowing you"][quote="Max Fischer"]A couple steps back for Julian/the Strokes is still ten steps ahead of everyone else... Albert too...

I think the only reason Albert didn't like FIOE as much as he did is because his own ego kind of blew up.. I think he is rationalizing the situation for his own goals. "I don't like what the band is doing therefore I have to go on my own, I'm an artist".[/quote]
Ego? What?

Look at it this way....Albert writes songs, he's a creative person. He tries to get the strokes to record them, but they don't want them....so where does he go from there? Does he just forget about it or does it go and do something about it, get a band together, get a record deal and release an album?
I don't think you're making much sense at all. The Strokes (& Julian in particular) are not infallible.....the sooner you realise that the better[/quote]

AMEN!!!
they need to start working as a band again!
[quote="sparks"]
he doesn't go solo because, unlike albert, jules probably has respect for his friends.
[/quote]

wow bullshit and you know it!!
soo Nickolai and fab don't respect their friends either?

I agree Luu. But even trying to be someone they aren't they were still 10 times better than everyone else.

The reality is, I still think they are still suffering from their immediate success and the backlash. I think it almost blew the band up right out of the gates.. and maybe it should have and maybe it eventually will.

What they need to do is try to find some way to not let other people's voices effect them. Easier said than done though.

[quote="Max Fischer"]A couple steps back for Julian/the Strokes is still ten steps ahead of everyone else... Albert too...

I think the only reason Albert didn't like FIOE as much as he did is because his own ego kind of blew up.. I think he is rationalizing the situation for his own goals. "I don't like what the band is doing therefore I have to go on my own, I'm an artist".[/quote]
Ego? What?

Look at it this way....Albert writes songs, he's a creative person. He tries to get the strokes to record them, but they don't want them....so where does he go from there? Does he just forget about it or does it go and do something about it, get a band together, get a record deal and release an album?
I don't think you're making much sense at all. The Strokes (& Julian in particular) are not infallible.....the sooner you realise that the better

I think that in FIOE they tried to show the media they could do something different(beacause everyone said room on fire was too similar to is this it), but they tried too "hard" and didn't work that much for them

although, I think is the most mature album, and it has the best lyrics, but is this it and room on fire they captured what strokes are, FIOE was great, but they were trying to show something they are not

A couple steps back for Julian/the Strokes is still ten steps ahead of everyone else... Albert too...

I think the only reason Albert didn't like FIOE as much as he did is because his own ego kind of blew up.. I think he is rationalizing the situation for his own goals. "I don't like what the band is doing therefore I have to go on my own, I'm an artist".

so hang on, albert is obliged to like fioe even though it's a step back from the previous albums?

FIOE is a bad album and it's cool that at least albert recognises that

[quote="Azure"] I know the guys are trying to innovate but it's really been at the expense of quality or being anything reminiscent of their old feel.[/quote]

Sometimes you do have to take a couple steps back to take a couple steps forward.

I totally would

[quote="knowing you"]god people stop bitching and look forward to their doo-wop/bluegrass album[/quote]

Shh. Don't spoil it.

-Viv(Worst of all is I think I'd like that more than FIOE.)

god people stop bitching and look forward to their doo-wop/bluegrass album

Is anyone really surprised? That is about the time he decided to distance himself from the band. I know the guys are trying to innovate but it's really been at the expense of quality or being anything reminiscent of their old feel.

-Viv(It's funny because I had all intentions of coming into this thread and posting, "Neither did I." but about half the board beat me to it.)

[quote="dens"]if julian is great as you guys think, why julian doesn't go solo?\
i mean come on guys julian is a talent but he's not GOD!![/quote]
he doesn't go solo because, unlike albert, jules probably has respect for his friends.

there are A LOT of good musicians that only play in their own effing living-room, what makes a band successful isn't so much the musical skills of its members as the quality of the songwriting... a "yours to keep" is nowhere close to a "is this it" seriously, they all got famous thanks to jules' great tunes, and i really think albert should show a bit more gratitude...