Alberts Albums >>>>> FIOE

Aug 27

Alberts Albums >>>>> FIOE

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[quote="knowing you"]Did you just recommend I read Ayn Rand? Really? You're a lost cause. I'm not doing this anymore.[/quote]

Said the person who has left more posts on this thread than anybody else. Knowing you, stop taking yourself so seriously. If you think that ROF and ITI are better than FIOE, I totally respect your opinion. But don't go hating on FIOE. There's not a single song o that album that could reasonably be called "bad"

[quote="knowing you"]Did you just recommend I read Ayn Rand? Really? You're a lost cause. I'm not doing this anymore.[/quote]

Yeah.. you are right.. praise Albert fucking Hammond Jr. but trash Ayn Rand.. and Julian.. LOL

yeah.. you've obviously got a great handle on reality..

Did you just recommend I read Ayn Rand? Really? You're a lost cause. I'm not doing this anymore.

[quote]I will say this though: If I'm ever an alcoholic drug addict I hope to God you're not one of my friends. How can getting him to stop drinking and doing drugs be a bad thing? Fucking hell.[/quote]

Well.. many people have done their best work loaded.. Julian made Is This It loaded... that's just the reality.. the band probably thought they were "helping" Julian by helping make the music too...

[quote]Also, I don't understand how you can be against Albert so personally. Do you know him? Have you had in depth conversations with him that allow you to slight his character so severely? Or are you just pissed off that instead of sitting on his ass doing nothing all day he's being creative and making music? Give the guy a break, he's just making music, enjoying himself. As far as I can see there's no ulterior motive. You reek of fanboyism and it's impossible to debate anything with you because you can't look at this objectively.[/quote]

Talk about irony.. you are defending Albert and trashing Julian.. or at least his music. Do you know how absurd that is? There's nothing fanboyish about me pointing that out.. it's reality. It's as absurd as the rest of the band helping Julian make albums..

It's nothing personal with Albert. I am simply trying to make a point. The point is that people have things completely backwards.. it's truly bizarre. Read the Fountainhead.. then you might see things more clearly..

[quote]edit: On Yours to Keep every song has a shared credit between Albert and someone else (Catherine Pierce, Greg Lattimer, Jon Larue). Como Te Llama? is credited solely to Albert

I will end up hating The Strokes one day if I have to keep listening to people like you.[/quote]

Whatever.. doesn't change anything.. the point is.. no one expects Albert to alloow his bandmates to help make his songs.. and I am sure his band doesn't either.. and Albert stinks.

And it sounds like you hated the Strokes long before I came along. What have I said that's so wrong? The very idea that Albert started his own band is absurd.. Albert said the record company wouldn't even let him make an album unless he had his name on the album.. that right there tells you why him starting his own band was absurd.

He didn't even have the credentials to make an album without the Strokes. Just like his songs wouldn't even have anything good about them if he hadn't learned so much from Julian. It's the same thing with Julian's bandmates helping him make their albums -- they also learned from Julian..

I just don't understand why you feel the need to blame Julian.. he should be the last person you blame..

I was gonna respond to all of your points but I just really can't be fucking bothered.

I will say this though: If I'm ever an alcoholic drug addict I hope to God you're not one of my friends. How can getting him to stop drinking and doing drugs be a bad thing? Fucking hell.

Also, I don't understand how you can be against Albert so personally. Do you know him? Have you had in depth conversations with him that allow you to slight his character so severely? Or are you just pissed off that instead of sitting on his ass doing nothing all day he's being creative and making music? Give the guy a break, he's just making music, enjoying himself. As far as I can see there's no ulterior motive. You reek of fanboyism and it's impossible to debate anything with you because you can't look at this objectively.

edit: On [i]Yours to Keep[/i] every song has a shared credit between Albert and someone else (Catherine Pierce, Greg Lattimer, Jon Larue). [i]Como Te Llama?[/i] is credited solely to Albert

I will end up hating The Strokes one day if I have to keep listening to people like you.

[quote]So everything good is all thanks to Julian and all the bad stuff is everyone elses stuff? No.[/quote]

facts are facts..

So if you are going to give Julian all the blame for FIOE problems then why are you unwilling to give him all the credit for their successes? it seems to me Julian is screwed whichever decision he makes anyway... Julian gets more crap, while he's the only guy doing anything good, than all the people who do nothing good.. his bandmates included.

[quote]FIOE is a result of Julian trying to branch out and he's the one that is accountable for it being so messy. Nobody "forced" him to do anything.[/quote]

That's not the impression I get.. it sounds like they forced him to quit drinking and doing drugs.. it sounded like the band has been pressuring him to let them be more involved.. it sounds like outside forces were pressuring him to change his sound because the band sounded the same.

[quote]Julian is the only one with writing credits on disasters such as "15 Minutes" and "On The Other Side" (The most boring song this band ever came up with). In fact, one of the nicest songs on the album, "Evening Sun" was co-written by Julian and Fab. [/quote]

That doesn't mean he wasn't pressured to do things differently.. Does Albert have ANY shared credits? Do you think Albert was pressured to collaborate with bandmates? Was Albert called-out for his new album sounding exactly like his old album or the old Strokes? Nope.. because no one really cares about it.. that's the irony.

[quote]So many people seem to think that Julian is some sort of infallible deity, that he can do no wrong[/quote]

I thought that was Albert that was the infallible deity? Albert's boring-without-personality album was more lauded by critics than FIOE.. and Albert's stuff is more like the old Strokes than the old Strokes were like anyone else before them.. and that ISN'T because Albert was the source of the Strokes sound as he would have us believe..

So everything good is all thanks to Julian and all the bad stuff is everyone elses stuff? No. FIOE is a result of Julian trying to branch out and he's the one that is accountable for it being so messy. Nobody "forced" him to do anything. Julian is the only one with writing credits on disasters such as "15 Minutes" and "On The Other Side" (The most boring song this band ever came up with). In fact, one of the nicest songs on the album, "Evening Sun" was co-written by Julian and Fab. So many people seem to think that Julian is some sort of infallible deity, that he can do no wrong, but that's not the case at all.

Someone made an excellent observation when they pointed out that FIOE was the Strokes weakest album and it was the album in which the rest of the band most contirbuted.

I also find it ironic that Albert's band it Albert's pure vision.. THE "Albert Hammond Jr's" pure vision..

while Julian is forced to collaborate. lol It's pretty comical to me..

:bump: its so true

[quote="Sophmore"]

I respectfully disagree. I honestly think that the song-writing and material are much better on FIOE than on their previous albums. It focuses more on emotion and is more experimental while still keeping that genuine sound. I think Julian's voice being clearer doesn't change the whole stroke style and attitude, and with more emotional songs, having a voice with more production does emphasize the level. I mean have you seen the live performance of evening sun live at MTV studios in London on Youtube? The emotion on that is tangible, even from a computer screen! Now, I do agree with the notion that some of the lyrics seem like they're strained or too messy. But I definitely think that FIOE is their best album yet. I also think that room on fire improved exponentially from their stupendous debut. You don't wanna put out three albums that sound too much alike.

I think como te llama is of the same merit of FIOE, but in a different way.[/quote]

I couldn't have said it better myself. You can tell from the lyrics on FIOE that the Strokes, Julian especially, have grown and matrued musically since their beginning.

[quote="Dr_Doom"][quote="knowing you"]Diversity doesn't make an album good if the songwriting is poor, if the production is heavy handed, if the singing is embarrassing in parts. Judge the album on it's merits and not how its a change in direction and you realise that it's just plain bad.[/quote]
That is exactly how I feel about it.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. I honestly think that the song-writing and material are much better on FIOE than on their previous albums. It focuses more on emotion and is more experimental while still keeping that genuine sound. I think Julian's voice being clearer doesn't change the whole stroke style and attitude, and with more emotional songs, having a voice with more production does emphasize the level. I mean have you seen the live performance of evening sun live at MTV studios in London on Youtube? The emotion on that is tangible, even from a computer screen! Now, I do agree with the notion that some of the lyrics seem like they're strained or too messy. But I definitely think that FIOE is their best album yet. I also think that room on fire improved exponentially from their stupendous debut. You don't wanna put out three albums that sound too much alike.

I think como te llama is of the same merit of FIOE, but in a different way.

[quote="knowing you"]Diversity doesn't make an album good if the songwriting is poor, if the production is heavy handed, if the singing is embarrassing in parts. Judge the album on it's merits and not how its a change in direction and you realise that it's just plain bad.[/quote]
That is exactly how I feel about it.

i really wanted to like first impressions. but i never find myself wanting to listen to it like i do with is this it or room on fire. some songs i like but... i don't know, the lyrics don't seem as natural (or GOOD) as in the first two albums. i was pretty disappointed.
i guess i agree that albert's albums are better than first impressions but when julian is at his best, man, albert's lyrics can't hold a candle to julian's.

Diversity doesn't make an album good if the songwriting is poor, if the production is heavy handed, if the singing is embarrassing in parts. Judge the album on it's merits and not how its a change in direction and you realise that it's just plain bad.

I don't know why everyone is so down on FIOE. Not only is it an amazing album, it could possibly be the best out of all their albums,not to say the other albums are bad. Because they are also amazing. It's just that all the songs from the old albums were basically the same when you listened to them. FIOE is so diverse, and that's what makes it good. The new sound of the Strokes is just so different from everything they've ever done.