Should Julian leave the Strokes?

Feb 07

Should Julian leave the Strokes?

Posted by Max Fischer on

I really do not want to see Julian waste his talent with a band that doesn't appreciate him. It seems like the band and many of his fans are fighting him every step of the way and they think Julian being in control is what is hurting the band and how it would be better with the rest of the band having more control.

I really didn't want the band to break up before. But, now it seems like the logical conclusion. It seems like they are just prolonging the inevitable. I think the moment Julian lost control of the band.. when the other band members egos got so big they thought they could do as well or better than Julian is when the band died. Because I don't think Julian wants to hand the band over.. and I don't blame him. He is too talented to do that. Julian was responsible for making one of the greatest albums of all time.

You don't achieve that by not being passionate about what you are doing.. and that is what separates him from his fellow band mates and it's why he has such a strong vision and why he should move on IMO. You don't see Steven Spielberg handing his movie over to some assistant.. and this is why Julian shouldn't be handing the band over to anyone..

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whoa! 12 fucking pages!
i'm not going to bother reading all this. i'm sure it'll be pointless

[quote]julian casablancas would not like your silly assumptions regarding his bandmates.[/quote]

The truth can be a painful thing.. but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Do you want to see Julian reach his full potential? What if Julian would have been 10 times better as an artist right now if he was solo? Would you still want him to stay with the Strokes and be confined by them? All I am saying is that it is a possibility... Julian's bandmates might be holding him back at this point.

[b][size=200]hey max,

something gives me the feeling that julian casablancas would not like your silly assumptions regarding his bandmates.
something gives me the feeling that he probably wouldn't like your arrogant self-righteous personality, either.

how does that feel? does it hurt?[/size][/b]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know what to think. Its only natural for the others to want more control , you have to be a pretty souless person if you play an instrument but not want to write and be creative with it. Im sure they could have imput and julian could help them with ideas and stuff( Albert turned out 2 albums in a pretty short time, the vocals , production and originality were not the best but im sure some1 like jules could of fixed these and made summat genius out of alberts ideas.

Plus it would take alot of pressure off jules , it must off been stressful writing everything himself and usally the older a musician gets the less prollific they become. For example some of the songs on FIOE were obviously a bit short on ideas.

But in the end we will just have to see how Phrazes sounds, from the interviews I sort of got the impression He defonatly saw it as a side project and was prob saving his best songs and ideas for the Strokes. Its the actual "song" that is by far the most important aspect and he admited that the songwriting process is exactly the same as when he writes for the band.

imho, heh, if julian has always written and conducted... it should pretty much stay that way , unless , this is obnoxious, they want their names specificly behind a song on a strokes album or julian gets S N M off his mind and let the other guys b responsible 4... BUT aren't the strokes the strokes? each one is in the strokes because they [b]are [/b]original and play great [b]together[/b]! if any band members want to express themselves- do solos!! Everyone gets paid! y fuck up the recipe!? :idea:

This is stirring shit but, i bet!!! if each one got paid differently, which they dont- julian seems to be soo cool about that, unlike other old rock bands, none of this would be rising as an issue!!!Or should it? :evil:

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Kell, we have been through this all before.. Julian and others in the band have said that Julian writes everything.. he writes all the music and all the lyrics and even writes the guitar solos! There is video of Julian saying this and Albert agreeing.. over time this has changed a"little" I think.. but in recent articles Julian has said there was a problem with the band and that others wanted more control. I truly believe that Julian could replace ALL the other Strokes and not really miss a beat. I believe Julian IS the Strokes. From everything I have read and seen I came to this conclusions. Maybe I am wrong.. maybe I'm not.. but I certainly don't think it's implausible to assume this especially since it is a known fact Julian writes everything and stylistically is in charge of the band as he recently said again.

well yeah I get what you mean by the band seems to be falling apart and stuff..but we dont even have all the facts about whats really going on..I just think its stupid that u think Julian IS the band..I mean as much as I LOVE julian and I mean LOVE I dont think he can ever be the Strokes all by himself! your pretty much saying that your not a fan of the Strokes..your just a fan of Julian..and even tho I know that Julian's solo album will be Amazing, it wont be as amzing as any of the Strokes albums..So IDK how u can call yourself a Strokes Fan if u dont like and appreciate the band as a whole! thats all Im saying.maybe you should think about that before u go on and post more stupid stuff like this..This is a STROKES forum anyway not just a Julian Casablancas forum.

I don't know how you can call it stupid when it seems to be actually happening. The band seems to be falling apart...

Julian seems to be the only one that doesn't really want the band to break up... and he is the one that should want to leave most IMO. I think he just doesn't realize it.

ahahahahahah wtf?! Something is seriosuly wrong with you Max!I never had a problm with u..but this is just stupid!wow.IDEK why i wasted my time posting on this thread!blaaahhhh!and Im done!

[quote="Max Fischer"]Sorry folks.. but the truth can be a painful thing.. maybe it's for the best all around? The other guys want to do something mor with their lives.. but Julian doesn't need it.. he needds to express his true vision.. and the band CAN'T get it.. because Julian is just on another level. He shouldn't have to answer to anyone about what his vision is. I don't think having to answer to the rest of the Strokes is good for Julian's creatvity.. it would be like Einstein having to answer to some math student that didn't believe what he was saying was possible..[/quote]

k

Sorry folks.. but the truth can be a painful thing.. maybe it's for the best all around? The other guys want to do something mor with their lives.. but Julian doesn't need it.. he needds to express his true vision.. and the band CAN'T get it.. because Julian is just on another level. He shouldn't have to answer to anyone about what his vision is. I don't think having to answer to the rest of the Strokes is good for Julian's creatvity.. it would be like Einstein having to answer to some math student that didn't believe what he was saying was possible..

julian is wat makes the strokes complete. but the band is wat makes julian's songs complete

alright officially, max is an idiot.
i don't even need a point, because it's obvious

the strokes w/o julian is not a world anyone should have to live in
julian w/o the strokes is also not good. bad bad bad bad idea

srsly bad bro

[quote]I really do not want to see Julian waste his talent with a band that doesn't appreciate him. It seems like the band and many of his fans are fighting him every step of the way and they think Julian being in control is what is hurting the band and how it would be better with the rest of the band having more control.

I really didn't want the band to break up before. But, now it seems like the logical conclusion. It seems like they are just prolonging the inevitable. I think the moment Julian lost control of the band.. when the other band members egos got so big they thought they could do as well or better than Julian is when the band died. Because I don't think Julian wants to hand the band over.. and I don't blame him. He is too talented to do that. Julian was responsible for making one of the greatest albums of all time.

You don't achieve that by not being passionate about what you are doing.. and that is what separates him from his fellow band mates and it's why he has such a strong vision and why he should move on IMO. You don't see Steven Spielberg handing his movie over to some assistant.. and this is why Julian shouldn't be handing the band over to anyone..[/quote]

are you kidding me? are you a member of the strokes? do you stalk their rehearsals and phone conversations or something? how in the WORLD do you know why the band started their own side projects? it couldn't POSSIBLY be the fact that they wanted to try their hand at their own music? I think they're a great band, and while Mr. Casablancas may write the songs, it doesn't mean the other 4 have no say in the structure, recording, sound, and parts in the songs. i also believe a while back julian said something to rolling stone magazine that they were cooperating better than ever, so where is this whole "prolonging the inevitable" shit coming from? you all need to clam the hell down and get something better to do with your time. the only reason i even check this damn thing all day is to see whats going on with the band since their reunion.

[quote="Max Fischer"]It's funny you bumped this because I was coming to the same conclusion again. The things Julian is saying about the band fighting him and stifling his musical vision just illustrates what I was thinking. I read somewhere that someone who listened to Phrazes said it was Julian's best work since Is This It... I think this may be because he had the chance to do what he wanted unhindered. I am thinking Julian has been held down by his bandmates for some reason. Julian is too talented.. he has earned the right to express himself freely.[/quote]

i have, thanks man.

It's funny you bumped this because I was coming to the same conclusion again. The things Julian is saying about the band fighting him and stifling his musical vision just illustrates what I was thinking. I read somewhere that someone who listened to Phrazes said it was Julian's best work since Is This It... I think this may be because he had the chance to do what he wanted unhindered. I am thinking Julian has been held down by his bandmates for some reason. Julian is too talented.. he has earned the right to express himself freely.

Wanted to bump this gif party thread. Good memories.
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Max, I sort of understand what you're saying...except that I don't think that their solo projects sound too much like The Strokes. It seems they have taken some aspects from their experience with The Strokes, of course, but that's inevitable. I'm listening to Little Joy right now and it yields significant differences. I only have Albert's first album, which contains more similarity, but I still categorize it's sound differently. As for Nikolai... well, I've never had much of a desire to buy his album, I'm afraid. His voice is too drowsy and monotone for my preference, as much as I wish I liked it.

I feel like you're looking at this whole band member conflict (assuming one exists, I'm still not sure) from a purely logical and slightly scientific perspective. Without emotion, based on evidence of consequence. Whereas for the those involved, the emotion and underlying feelings are bound to play a role in their decision making and how they regard Julian's control. You and I may not think it should hold any influence...but ultimately it always will.

I think I'm sort of losing direction with what I'm saying. I'll refer back to the topic and simply conclude: I hope that Julian does not leave The Strokes. However, I understand if they believe it to be in their best interest (collectively, I hope). It would seem sort of silly and disappointing if Julian left because he thought he was better than the others, but to each his own I suppose. If they're unhappy, and leaving the band will make them happy, go for it.

...My indecision keeps me from choosing an opinion, and consequently leads me to argue others' stand points. Ugh.

[quote="Justin06"]I'm going to do the hurry up and wait thing, damn.[/quote]

For the next album?

[quote]But I do know that if I were Nick, Albert, Nikolai, or Fab, I would probably want more creative freedom too.[/quote]

I can see how you would feel that way.. but me, when I consider that they had their chance to make their own CDs.. and then they all sound exactly like the Strokes.. it shows how silly it is to think they need to express themselves. It's ironic to me.. because I think part of the reason the Strokes were so successful is because they BELIEVED they were all equals.. even though it wasn't true at all IMO. But that perception made the band so cohesive.. but at the same time it made the rest of the band believe they needed their "creative freedom".. and to me their egos doomed the band. so it's ironic that what made the band so great has also killed it I believe..

[color=#FFFF40][quote="Max Fischer"][quote]This is a Strokes fan site, after all, not just a Julian Casablancas fan site.[/quote]

Mary.. the thing is.. it has been well established that the Strokes ARE Julian. At least they were.. this is why Julian said recently that he was going to give more control to the rest of the band for a change.. all I am saying is he shouldn't do it.. they did their best work the way things were.. with Julian in control.. why would you change that?[/quote][/color]

I think he's sacrificing a bit of his control for the survival of the band. They may not sound the same or quite as good as before, but they'll still be a band. I'm not saying it's right... I don't know what's right. But I do know that if I were Nick, Albert, Nikolai, or Fab, I would probably want more creative freedom too.

Julian Should quit the band and pursue a golfing career

I'm going to do the hurry up and wait thing, damn.

never that! julain dont go. please continue to make great music.

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[quote="seshat"]I fell in love with this thread during my lunch. <3<3<3

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I din't know they had internet access at McDonalds.. you can do better than that Seshat..

I fell in love with this thread during my lunch. <3<3<3

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wow
this is sadly pathetic.
ur fighting over nothing!!! just get over yourself and MOVE ON.

Oh no! I missed a gif train!

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You are so easy to get riled up.. LOL.. Look at you babbling like an idiot..

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[quote="knowing you"]This thread really reached it's potential. I'm so proud

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This thread really reached it's potential. I'm so proud

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PARTY TIME!
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GIF-O-RAMA!!!

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That seriously remind sme of Albert trying to rock out when he was on Conan O'Brien.. that was kind of sad. seeing Albert think he was a rockstar.. delusions of grandeur..

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[quote="knowing you"]ok this is the Arrested Development gif thread now

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[size=150]YOU'VE RUINED THE ACT GOB![/size]
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hahahaha i love that show
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COK-CA-CAWW!! CHA-CHEE-CHA!!!

Awwww how about the TV gif thread?
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I guarantee you Albert has that exact same robe and slipper.s. and he thinks it's really cool and hip.. and how he is a rebel.. and how that makes him a rockstar..

ok this is the Arrested Development gif thread now

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Anally raped.. that's exactly how I felt after listening to Albert's second album.. expect more of the same in the Strokes 4th album.

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