Max = Julian's PR

Oct 29

Max = Julian's PR

Posted by Gac on

You are clearly part of the PR machine for Julian, or Julian himself.

Aren't you tired of lauding yourself or your employer with praise? Is it because his sub-par album wont do well without all this hyperbole and degrading of the other members in the band? Or maybe this is just an anonymous outlet for your own frustration?

Don't you think honesty is lacking enough today? Are you contributing genuineness and the uplifting of the music industry with negativity and disregard towards others with talent and ambition?

One way or another, it's a bad reflection of everything that is going on today. Music today is utter crap, and snobs like you with very little self-awareness and humility are not helping it get better.

As an aside, Julian Casablancas' album is really not an example of his own talent, merely a mish-mash of ideas by other, far more talented, far more imaginative people. Even his "interview video" intro was ripped off from Michael Jackson's intro for Moonwalker, down to the sound effect. Knowing how to steal cool things and mix them together doesn't make you a legendary musican, it makes you a good DJ. Acknowledging and working with your peers to make the music industry a better place for EVERYONE is what makes true history.

Before you try to flame me, I don't give a flying jamestown fuck what you say and likely wont respond. I am merely tired of seeing such transparent, weak promotion and/or smear attempts on fellow bandmates, from what used to be one of the most promising acts of the new millenium.

Good luck on your chosen path to creativity depraved global anonymity, and an uneventful married life with children.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/07/11/900147.htm

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Little Junnie.. so naive...

[quote="Max Fischer"]

I think you are paranoid.. [/quote]

Says the guy who thinks that everyone on this forum is just one person with many aliases. I laughed out loud.

Yes.. I'm the crazy one.. not the Albert groupie.. LOL

The very idea of an Albert Groupie is completely retarded.. LOL

[quote="ElishaLovesStrokes"]did i add that you are also a crazed fuckin pyschopathic lunatic[/quote]

ACTUALLY I'M JULIAN

LAWL LAWL ALIAS

did i add that you are also a crazed fuckin pyschopathic lunatic

I nailed it.. as usual! LOL

[quote="Max Fischer"]I am willing to wager that this is another of Elisha's aliases - "she's" trying to achieve "number one Albert groupie" status[/quote]
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[b]dude, why the fuck are you so obsessed with me?????? why you got to bring me into every reply you make on every damn thread. If I got something to say, then im gonna say it, i dont need to hide under an alias to keep what I really want to say, I dont give a fuck, Ill say what I want when I want, I dont care and you should know that.... absolutely pathetic you are
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The fact you are all OBSESSED with me speaks volumes.. you aren't even smart enough to realize that.. so obesssed you create alias after alias to try to run me out of here.. then you say I am obsessed. LOL

[quote="Max Fischer"]You hate me because you know I am right.. the truth can be a painful thing... especially to Cult members...[/quote]

lol
ok sure

[quote="screech"]MJ listened to soul and motown for influence. The sound perhaps changed, but attitude and substance remained the same. The manner on which these new sounds are executed may be different, but the difference is the substance of the same repetitive thing: revolution. Revolution comes and goes in music, but revolution is the thing that comes around.[/quote]

MJ's most popular songs are nearly devoid of any motown referential points. His solo career from "Off the Wall" onward is almost entirely born in a vacuum of influence, just pure creative drive and emotions bouncing between Quincy Jones, Rod Temperton, and himself, amongst others.

You hate me because you know I am right.. the truth can be a painful thing... especially to Cult members...

max = LOLOLOLOLOL YOU DISAGREE WITH ME CUS YOU IS ALIAS LOLOLOLOLOL ALBERT GROUPIE LOLOLOL

seriously stfu, everyone on here hates you and your opinions are invalid

MJ listened to soul and motown for influence. The sound perhaps changed, but attitude and substance remained the same. The manner on which these new sounds are executed may be different, but the difference is the substance of the same repetitive thing: revolution. Revolution comes and goes in music, but revolution is the thing that comes around.

[quote="screech"]Pop music is pop music. Everything has been done before. It takes certain people to remind us, though.[/quote]

Screech, it's that mindset that makes pop music so stagnant and horrible today.

When MJ came out, everyone thought The Beatles had "DONE IT ALL" already. Wrong. Everything he created with his solo career were things no one had ever seen or heard before. It was a totally new and refreshing experience. Pop music today is STILL living off his input. THAT is the problem.

Derivative acts can only carry music so long and so far. The breaking point will occur soon.

I can say with authority that it's not JC's album, which is the epitome of derivative, uninspiring, "look how many MORE artists I can steal from and reference without the strokes holding me back" bullshit. In fact, part of the reason I'm here is because I know an indie artist who he blatantly ripped off ideas from for his solo album, down to the album storybook design. How ethical is that? Dumb question. Rich kids think "alls fair when my favourite artist steals from someone else".

everything hasn't been done before.. it's just in our media saturated environment it feel like it..it takes someone with a lot of intelligence and insight to be able to recognize the true talent in the hordes of the talentless..

Pop music is pop music. Everything has been done before. It takes certain people to remind us, though.

whatever GAC.. you know it all.. you were the one that came on talling me what I should and shouldn't be talking about after all.. so you must know what you are talking about.

Likely, you have no idea what it's like to be hungry and what kind of passion and true creative intensity that breeds. There are many who are in it "just for the money", but there are equally just as many in it for "the praise daddy never gave them"- I'm sure you know who falls into that category.

There are very few who genuinely want to be creative AND successful globally because they NEED to be, because there is nothing else for them in this world BUT that. MJ, Elvis, Hendrix, etc.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time explaining this to you, because you ARE one of those privileged, bored, "wish they had daddy's attention when they were toddlers" rich boys so I'll end it at that.

You don't get it GAC.. the Strokes and Julian aren't declining in popularity becaus eof some lack of passion or drive because they were priveleged.. if anything that give them legitimacy.. because they aren't in it for the money entirely like all the others you mention and everyone else in the music indusstry. If they wanted to make money.. becaus eof their privelege there are much better ways to make money. Julian probably very easily could have been an actor. I think he chose not to because he wanted to legitimately do something artistically.

The real reason they have declined in popularity is because Julian isn't selling out to anyone -- the critics or the masses.. he's not whoring himself out and pulling the same pseudo intellectual BS guys like Radiohead do and he isn't pandering to the masses by doing the same kind of hard rock everyone else is doing. he's a loner.. which is why I think he is so cool and brilliant.. again.. Gordon was a great match for Jules and so was his studio.. but the real genius was Julian for recognizing it and having the balls to embrace it.. rather than selling out at that moment which was the temptation.. But gordon was also very limited in his ability IMO.. that is likely why their second album was lacking in ideas production wise..

[quote="Max Fischer"]That's what team defect wants me to do.. is leave.. because I won't bow down and suck off the strokettes like the rest of the delusional Strokes cult does.. iso it's crazy not to join a cult and crazy to stand up to them and not let them run this board? Then so be it... this actually means something to me.. what's crazy is fighting about something that really doesn't matter to you.. like Albert..[/quote]
You sound kind of paranoid. I don't see any 'cult', you should consider the possibility that you have been over analytical about all of this..

You can still enjoy Julian and the strokes without being so obssesive and analytical about everything they do

What Gordon provided was a gritty, down-to-earth honesty of an experienced underground producer who is creatively and spiritually open-minded (despite his compositional and songwriting shortcomings), yet always demanded truthfulness and integrity. His humility and gentleness is unrivaled in the music business, and I'm sure that's the only reason the bullshit article about "he just did what he was told" you're referencing even happened. I know exactly what Gordon contributed, and it's not because I'm him, but because I know what producers actually contribute to an album, or he wouldn't have got the credit or royalty points involved. He has the true soul and spirit of a great producer; emotionally uninvolved, yet a passive multilayered soundboard for ideas. Do not underestimate how vital this is. George Martin was not the most skilled musician either, yet he was vital to every successful Beatles album.

Julian is a skilled songwriter and very strong composer, but lacking a true emotional story the masses can relate to, and is too burdened by analytical intensity to actually focus on the honest emotional delivery of a message that he doesn't even really have anyways. There is only so much genuine emotional intensity you can evoke when you have everything pretty much handed to you your whole life. This is what seperates the John Lennon's, Elvis Presley's, and Michael Jackson's from everyone else.

So yes, they were a good match. A very good match. A match that lead to two successfully received albums, and one sub-par one that he was barely involved with, and another forthcoming sub-par solo album, along with the rest of the bands sub-par solo efforts.

What made the Strokes form was Julian's brilliant vision for a band that was popular yet made actually well-crafted music. What made them successfully received globally was their good looks and celebrity connection. What made them interesting was Gordon's influence and oversight. What made them suck was their obsessive desire to be greater than what their critics said instead of remaining honest. What made them die was all of their egos.

That's what team defect wants me to do.. is leave.. because I won't bow down and suck off the strokettes like the rest of the delusional Strokes cult does.. iso it's crazy not to join a cult and crazy to stand up to them and not let them run this board? Then so be it... this actually means something to me.. what's crazy is fighting about something that really doesn't matter to you.. like Albert..

Have you thought of the possibility that you might be crazy?

I say this with seriousness, because all you do with your time is comment on this message hoard, and don't try to tell anyone here the contrary. I mean, with the amount time you allocate to this near-meaningless forum, you can't be that that sane.

Max, whatever your reasons are, I hope you don't stay stuck here. Find something else.

man there are so many stupid haters on this forum and fucking STUPID arguments that in the end dont even make a fuckin difference!and to be honest no one cares about ur stupid opinions! What a waste of my life this was!

Are you fucking retarded? lol I honestly wonder if GAC and Cor are the same nutjob.. no two people could be THIS psycho...

[quote="Corybaby28"]
Max- don't act such a faggot when I'm defending you... It's rare when people defend you. And although you won't admit it.. You appreaciate it. [/quote]

all right I'm done wasting my time here you guys suck

[quote]for the first time I've seen... Max is 100% accurate[/quote]

I'm so honored to finally get your approval.. thanks so much for backing me up again.. Dooshebag.

fucking little brats..

[quote="Max Fischer"]Gordon was a good match for Julian but he wasn't the one responsible for the success of the Strokes.. go read all the old interviews with Gordon.. he says he as just doing what Julian told him to do.. he said he didn't have the ear for music Julian did.. what Gordon contributed most was his barbaric studio.. which helped create the perfect sound for the Strokes.. maybe if they hadn't met Gordon it takes longer for Julian to be such a huge success.. but I don't know if that would have been a bad thing really. I don't know if him and his buddies were ready for it It might have been the worst thing for that at that point.[/quote]

for the first time I've seen... Max is 100% accurate

[quote="Gac"]Actually, I am pretty sure the first two albums being great is directly related to the fact that Gordon Raphael was involved. He is the understated genius behind both Is This It, Room on Fire, and the few FIOE produced tracks he was involved with.

His focus on creative honesty unlocked the best of every band member, and gave The Strokes what they needed. Songwriting is not the be-all, end-all of music. The production and oversight of a project by someone unemotionally involved, yet who demands honesty and integrity is vital to a piece of recorded musical work becoming a classic.

Everything they did without him sucks. So does Julian's solo album. Just do the math. Sorry.[/quote]
Well, in my opinion, everything else doesn't suck ... Maybe youshould take a little more ownership of your opinioNs.

I think you're Gordon Raphael !! Now do you see how fucking stupid you sound.

You're ignorant, and I wouldn't openly agree with you even if you were right.. Because it would only fuel your ignorance.

I still don't understand why your here talking to us about how uncreative Julian is... Just want to establish a negative presence somewhere?

Gordon was a good match for Julian but he wasn't the one responsible for the success of the Strokes.. go read all the old interviews with Gordon.. he says he as just doing what Julian told him to do.. he said he didn't have the ear for music Julian did.. what Gordon contributed most was his barbaric studio.. which helped create the perfect sound for the Strokes.. maybe if they hadn't met Gordon it takes longer for Julian to be such a huge success.. but I don't know if that would have been a bad thing really. I don't know if him and his buddies were ready for it It might have been the worst thing for that at that point.

Actually, I am pretty sure the first two albums being great is directly related to the fact that Gordon Raphael was involved. He is the understated genius behind both Is This It, Room on Fire, and the few FIOE produced tracks he was involved with.

His focus on creative honesty unlocked the best of every band member, and gave The Strokes what they needed. Songwriting is not the be-all, end-all of music. The production and oversight of a project by someone unemotionally involved, yet who demands honesty and integrity is vital to a piece of recorded musical work becoming a classic.

Everything they did without him sucks. So does Julian's solo album. Just do the math. Sorry.

You have an F'ed up way of defending people.. lol

[quote="Gac"]Before you say "they did 3 albums, idiot", understand that I was being deliberate.[/quote]

ya.. I got that you arrogant condesending douchebag.

Have you seen juilian's financial records recently? Because I haven't and assumptions are for retards..

Max- don't act such a faggot when I'm defending you... It's rare when people defend you. And although you won't admit it.. You appreaciate it.

Gac- the strokes from 2001 are in 2001 and want be time traveling t 2009... I don't even know what youre point is anymore... Just get over it because these argumentations accomplish nothing and give insight to nobody. You obviously lack respect, so go fuck yourself... At least max has some respect... Well sometimes.

All I'm trying to say here, is that Julian is, in fact, more creative than you wil every be.... No matter hoW many ABC.com links you post you fucking creative genious

If you don't think Julian is creative ... Then why do u love their first two records so much?? Julian wrote s least 90% of room on fire and 100% of is this is it .... Where first impressions the band had the most collaboration... Which you show some resentment towawrds that album... I personally just think you're mad, perhaps subconsciouslly, because Julian is using his creative resources (mind- which is not infinite) for himsElf and not for the whole band.. Honestly, it kind of bothers mr too.. But the memebers of the band obviously have their differences now, and all we can do is hope for the best and hope that they can see past each others differences.

Nick valensi once said that beig in a band is an excercise of ignoring your ego... They obviousllu doing carry this same jnsigt anymore.. Too bad.

Before you say "they did 3 albums, idiot", understand that I was being deliberate.

The reason I am here is because I am a fan of "The Strokes", namely the ones that hooked up with Gordon Raphael and made two classic albums and could've made music history if they stayed humble and honest and loyal. Everything after that...

As for "financial risks" and "troubling economic times"... you must be the "fucking idiot" if you actually believe that Julian Casablancas is hurting financially, and that making good music would hurt his bank account. LOL!

[quote]Max does flood this message board with his hard-on for Julian[/quote]

You sound jealous... I'm sure it ruins it when someone is more passionate and insightful than yourself..

[quote="Max Fischer"]What kind of smear campaign are you talking about?

I think you are paranoid.. the fact you would trash Julian and his music shows you are really guilty of what you accuse me of because it;s obvious to most rational people that Julian is on ane ntirely different level thaqn the rest of his bandmates..

I simply speak my mind on anything and everything.. I will admit I am not happy with Julian's fellow bandmates.. I feel like they have caused the band to split because of their own needs ignoring that they wouldn't be in the position they are without Jules carrying them.

My real problem is with the people that prop the other members of the band up simply because they think they are cute.. and at the same time ignoring how their behavior had likely ruined the band by explotig their own popularity that Julan got them.. Of course I can only go by what little information we have publicly and it may be flawed.. but it's all I've got.

PS

I am willing to wager that this is another of Elisha's aliases - "she's" trying to achieve "number one Albert groupie" status[/quote]

Fab is way more famous for dating drew barrymore than julian for anything hes done..

Gac = a fucking idiot

Max does flood this message board with his hard-on for Julian, but that's besides the point.

Julian has pure raw creative talent. EVERYONE has influences today, how you could you not be influenced by MJ if you've heard his music? It's all relative, and a part of the evolution of music. There are reasons why music sounds different today than it did 100 years ago, or 50 years ago... Hell, even 10 years ago!! It's because the human civilization is rapidely evolving, and this includes everythring from technology to music. I would say JUlian is in the top 1% of creative songwriters today. Sure, he might be influenced by other music from the past.. But if he wern't, he wouldn't be recognized during these evolutionary changes and would provablly just be left behind.

Now.. Julian could reveal this "truly creative" process to everyone , gac, but like he recently said in the latest interview in spin ( I don't respect u enough to dig up the precise quote, but it's there) that he could have been more creative with the album with trippy psychedelic sounds and what not, but he didn't want to take the risk cuz he assumed no one would like it much. This, I could agree, was cowardice of Julian, bit still understandable. Who wants to take huge financial riskss during troubling economic times like these? Especially when you have a baby on the way ( in julian's case).

Give the guy a break ... Both of you... Max ought get off julian's nuts, and gac ought give the guy more credit for his talents.

I am a song writer, and I understand the creative process in songwriting. Julian has a gift, and if you don't see it then why thhe he'll are you even here wasting your time talking about him??

I don't like social networks because I have family issues and don't really want people from my past knowing my business and if I put my name out they would... I don't know why I am sharing this info with you.. I guess because I like talking about random shit.. and you asked..

Welcome to social networking and web 2.0. Have you not caught up with modern civilization? Or are you 31 and out of touch?

Everyone's anonymous on the internet.. so your point makes no sense.. like you.

For what reason? You anonymity makes you suspicious, not someone to rally and join forces with.

I am searching for like minded individuals... it's touygh though digging through the faux fans.. the people who are fans of the band for the wrong reasons -- like their looks or because they "rock".. when there are plenty of bands out there that could fill that category and probably do for them..

Your creative process must be pretty weak if you need to spend your time on here praising yourself / your employer and negating other artists.

Have you discovered the secret to the universe on The Strokes forum yet, surrounded by brilliant minds such as groupies, foreigners, and psychopaths?

What Albert did was stealing.. what Julian did is the creative process...

hahaha that would be hilarious if Max was Julian. Were Julian? I've learned a lot my 12 years in public school.

As an addition, if you think stealing makes you a creative genius, you clearly know nothing about true creativity. Analysis and re-arranging of things that already exist in physical reality is a function of the logical mind, not the creative one. Nice try, though.

I'm not stopping you at all. I encourage you to keep talking, thus making a bigger fool of yourself!

Nobody on here likes you very much (which is a sad sign of what your career will likely bring you), and from what I can gather, your opinion on this board will keep making more and more enemies for yourself. Why would I want to stop that if I'm truly so against you? I should relish in it!

Besides, isn't it funny how when someone speaks their mind on someone else speaking their mind, it's considered some kind of backwards-ass violation against free speech? America is so screwed up.

You are cuckoo for coco puffs.. I don't believe you believe one word of what you just wrote.. and that is how you and I are different.. you will lie and cry and whine to get your way.. I am simply calling them like I see them.. speaking my mind.. that you are trying to stop someone from speaking their mind shows who here is in the wrong...

PS

They said the same thing about Bjork stealing from all her influences too..... I think she was a genius as well... people that think there is something wrong with that don't understand the creative process...

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