Juliet: book for Julian about Inventor

Nov 05

Juliet: book for Julian about Inventor

Posted by Max Fischer on

Hi Juliet.. I am taking a guess that you read here.

If someone else from Wizkid reads here then please pass this message along to Juliet/Jules!

I have read in an article that Julian was interested in inventing.. here is a great FICTION book about an inventor that I think Julian might really dig -- It's called [b]Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand[/b]. I think any inventor should read it.

http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shrugged-Ayn-Rand/dp/0451191145

It takes place before the 1950s and is kind of like their vision of the future at the time mixed with the past. It's really cool. I think Jules would really like the style of it. It also has some great philosophical elements to it, too.

I have heard they are making a movie about it soon so I think it's a good idea to read the book first in case the movie sucks and creates a bad impression of the book.

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I have heard of a lot of books but if someone knew my personality and interests and recommended a book based on that I would take notice.

And surprisingly Ayn Rand is more obscure than you think.. a lot of schools won't even promote Rand because schools/teachers are so liberal.

I doubt most people realize the sci-fi elements of the book too. Again.. if you are interested in science or inventing it's a sweet book.. I doubt most people view it from that angle.

Whether Julian would be keen on ATLAS SHRUGGED or not, I frankly think he'd be insulted at the idea that it would be a [i]new [/i]book to him. He's an intellectually inclined guy from an upper-middle-class background, and so doubtless received at least a summary of ATLAS SHRUGGED by high school--from friends, teachers, and/or parents--even if he didn't read the book himself. It's a very famous book!

It would be like attending an upper-middle-class high school without at least [i]hearing [/i]about the books of Carlos Castaneda or J.D. Salinger or Kurt Vonnegut.

I do agree with you that Julian does seem like he leans left.. but I also believe that he has been conditioned to think that way.. and the fact he isn't FURTHER that way when you consider his situation.. I think it means he could be very open to other ideas. But he just hasn't come into contact with them.. for example.. if Julian was really that liberal would he have controlled the band so much early on? I think if Julian was that liberal his music would represent the left far more than it does.. at least he's smart enough not to go too far to the extreme or to advertise it too heavily.

And it's funny that you view 11th Dimension as being 9-11 or post 9-11 related.. I made that observation and have gotten creamed for it... nice to see I'm not alone. I also think it's possible Julian is presenting different sides of that argument though.. so it's difficult to understand where he stands on it. I think he might be a closet republican. But again.. being a libertarian or a republican doesn't mean you are against charity or liberal ideals.. it just means you don't try to FORCE people to take that stance.. it's the FORCING people to do something that doesn't work and that creates all the problems. Ayn Rand was not against charity... she was against forced charity.. or the idea that people should be expected to be charitable..

Well, if you run down the list, judging by his lyrics he's either a libertarian (like me! :D ....but heavily doubt it) or one of those hard-left types you often find in the music industry.

Ludlow St. - I'm assuming he chose the country-theme to get in jabs at conservatives since the song is about the changing landscape of America's urban cities (nothing wrong with that :) ). He does make the character sympathetic, so I think we can gather that he's not some liberal-robot.

11th Dimension - Probably a criticism of the Right's response to the terrorist attacks. "Where cities come together, to hate each other in the name of sport/America, nothing is ever just how you plan/I looked up to you but you thought I would look the other way".

Ize of the World - Sounds like it belongs on the soundtrack of 1984 :lol: As much as people paint that as anti-totalitarianism and it is, Orwell was a democratic socialist to the best of my knowledge. Anyway, the song is basically V for Vendetta translated into music :D

I think it's safe to say he's liberal or liberal-leaning, but I would bet you the farm that he also refuses to be fit into any ideological category.

Julian may be liberal in some ways.. but I hope that he is open enough to recognize Rand's brilliance.. and the essential correctness of her work. I mean.. him and his band are a microcosm of the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.. I think he is smart enough to realize that even though he has been programmed to think a certain way and to be embarrassed about having money and talent..

[quote]College Republican/investment banker Bible[/quote]

That's like the Holy Trinity right there :D

Actually Rand is an Objectivist--Far different from the Republican party. Why is everything painted in a Republican/Democrat method? The Left in general just does not tangle with the moral question of taxation or what is a responsible duty of government and for that fact, neither does the Republican party. 8-) "Capitalism = bad" is not a sound argument and every day on this planet I am more assured that the Left is economically illiterate ;)

But even saying that, I would most likely assume that Julian is a liberal. Heck let's run off the list: Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, System of a Down, Oasis (I think), Animal Collective, Morello (actually he's way to the left of a Democrat right?), Muse, White Stripes, Bright Eyes, Disturbed, and there are probably a lot more these are just off of the top of my head with politically-tinged lyrics or activism. If you're looking for diversity of thought, the music industry ain't where it's at :lol:

[quote]Considering most indie rock fans lean to the left, you're committing a faux pas recommending ATLAS SHRUGGED. It's considered a right-wing diatribe. A bible for Republicans.[/quote]

Do you realize how hypocritical that statement is? IF Julian subscribed to that kind of logic then he wouldn't have made the Strokes and he wouldn't have made Phrazes.. neither fit in any category.. how many indie rockers wanted to be classical musicians. And this is precisely why I think Julian should read Rand,.. there may still be hope for him.

[quote]I mean, dude, ATLAS SHRUGGED is on Glenn Beck's reading list!! Need I say more? [/quote]

I don't even know who Glenn Beck is.. I could care less about politics.. saying Republicans love Rand is like saying democrats read the bible..

Rand is bigger than politics.. I mean for gods sake.. democrats live in the US.. that's like a capitalists living in China.. Rand is pure capitalist. If you argue against Rand you are arguing against the very nature of this country.

[quote](Personally I don't think being a Republican--which I'm not--should bar anyone from being a Strokes fan, but that's just me. But I dare anyone to wear an "I ♥ George W" T-shirt to a Strokes show.)[/quote]

I'm not a republican.. I just hate liberals. You could say Rand, Republicans and myself all have that in common but that doesn't mean Rand and myself are republicans. Hell.. democrats have changed since the party was created anyway.

[quote]And let me quote from an article about Rand in the the latest (11/09/09) "New Yorker" issue: "Most readers make their first and last trip to Galt's Gulch...sometime between leaving Middle-Earth and packing for college." [Galt's Gulch being a locale in the novel]

Julian is in his 30's. I doubt he'd be into right-wing lit for 16-year-olds.[/quote]

The incredible irony there is that socialism is the real fantasy world.. that is what Rand's book is illustrating.. socialism is a great idea.. but so are money trees or turning lead into gold.. its not reality though. Her books illustrate that to perfection.

But there are other cool things bout her books. You can enjoy them on many different levels. She creates a very cool world and characters. They are like superheroes without super powers facing villains without super powers.

That's probably why they call it juvenile.. because romanticism is verboten with socialists.. and that is why the Soviet Union was a toilet. Rand saw it first hand.

Considering most indie rock fans lean to the left, you're committing a [i]faux pas[/i] recommending ATLAS SHRUGGED. It's considered a right-wing diatribe. A bible for Republicans.

I mean, dude, ATLAS SHRUGGED is on Glenn Beck's reading list!! Need I say more?

(Personally I don't think being a Republican--which I'm not--should bar anyone from being a Strokes fan, but that's just me. But I dare anyone to wear an "[i]I ♥ George W[/i]" T-shirt to a Strokes show.)

And let me quote from an article about Rand in the the latest (11/09/09) "New Yorker" issue: "[i]Most readers make their first and last trip to Galt's Gulch...sometime between leaving Middle-Earth and packing for college[/i]." [Galt's Gulch being a locale in the novel]

Julian is in his 30's. I doubt he'd be into right-wing lit for 16-year-olds.

Of course you hate Rand..

You are the reason she wrote the book..

To prevent people from becoming exactly like you.

She grew up in Russia and saw what kind of world people like you create.

terrible book, terrible author.

Pretty tough book for most 10 year olds to handle.. but again.. I think most people have heard of Ayn Rand.. but my point was that if you are an inventor it's a cool book to read.. very inspiring.. I doubt most people would understand that because most people aren't inventors. Plus it has other elements I think Jules would dig.. dystopian world.. philosophy..

It's like how I had heard of Oscar Wilde but I never heard of Phrases and Philosophies for the young.. and never would have realized it would be somthing I was interested until Jules highlighted it..

Also, I forgot.. Jules said he had only read a couple books cover to cover.. this should be another one he reads IMO..

I think it would be good too when you consider that everyone gives Julian shit because his family has money. Money and economics are a big part of the book.. in a very abstract way..

Hasn't just about everyone heard or Atlas Shrugged? When I was like eleven or twelve my dad told me he'd pay me $100 if I read it. I got to page 150ish. Still need to finish that... hah.

[quote]Ayn Rand blows. Atlas Shrugged is the College Republican/investment banker Bible[/quote]

Rand's philosophy is based on Aristotle's philosophy.. do you think Aristotle "blew"? lol

[quote]And do you really think Julian and/or his wife a)read this,[/quote]

I do think Juliet might read here.. it would explain why this site was neglected for awhile. Obviously who ever was responsible for it is busy. I think it's someone from the Wizkid office doing it..and I don't think the WizKid staff is very big at all.. so that doesn't leave many options..

[quote]or b)haven't heard of fucking Ayn Rand?[/quote]

And they may have heard of Rand but not have been aware of that book and how cool it is.. especially if you are into inventing or technology in general.. It's just a cool book for people interested in science fiction.. especially how Julian is interested in philosophical stuff..

Bottom line is I gave it a shot.. what can it hurt? :lol:

Ayn Rand blows. Atlas Shrugged is the College Republican/investment banker Bible. And do you really think Julian and/or his wife a)read this, or b)haven't heard of fucking Ayn Rand?

Even better, provide more obscure literature for the rich boy to scavenge, like the uncreative vulture he is.

Good idea-- keep diverting attention away from important topics, and your true identity.

I see through all your deceptions. With every post you make, the portrait of you becomes clearer.